Rejected Calm Down Punishments

[Aluux]

Along with the punishments becoming more lenient over time, the negative trend in our player count has exponentially increased over time as well.

I feel like you’re being a little one-sided on this and not really taking what we’re saying into consideration. I don’t think you can sit there and safely say that our rules aren’t strict, regardless if you’re staff or not. Especially if you take a glance at our sister server, Neme’s, rules. We need to be promoting unity between players and staff not driving a wedge between them with limited chat freedoms.

The rules keep being cited here, but they’re exactly the problem. They need to be revised because let’s face it, we’re all capable of acting mature and if given the privilege of more leniency on what we can say— it’d be more beneficial than not.

I don't think you can compare us to neme as they're playerbase is more matured than ours, our player base are mostly young people hence why we have strict rules because some of our players aren't old enough to sometimes understand some of the immature comments people post in our chats.

We are taking into consideration what you're saying, and we understand from a players point of view that our punishments/rules are harsh, however there are other large networks out there who's rules and punishments are even harsher than ours, like they warn for using swear abbreviations and mute straight away for swearing, yet they are very successful with a stable playerbase of around 5000 per day, what im trying to say is that our playerbase is a lot younger than other networks and so our rules have to be slightly stricter, however the punishments themselves are very lenient at the moment, so we really cant do much more to ensure that everyone is happy, because if we remove rules to allow people to do certain things that will just make another group of people unhappy.

 

[Emviar]

I mean, say what you want about the relationship between PZ Discord staff and PZ Server Staff, but I was muted in the Discord server after not breaking the rules. I've still got screenshots if you'd like an example of the "Do what I say simply because I'm staff" mentality.

 

[Cattt]

It would genuinely help your suggestion if you stated which punishments you felt were harsh. Generalizing all rules as "too harsh" is an ignorant statement to make. It would be practical to emphasize what rules may be strident and can perhaps benefit the staff team.

If anyone here feels like they were unjustly punished or feel like a staff member is corrupted, you can always appeal / report it right here on the forums.

On that note, I am still staying neutral until more reasons are specified.

 

[Arujann]

I don't think you can compare us to neme as they're playerbase is more matured than ours, our player base are mostly young people hence why we have strict rules because some of our players aren't old enough to sometimes understand some of the immature comments people post in our chats.

We are taking into consideration what you're saying, and we understand from a players point of view that our punishments/rules are harsh, however there are other large networks out there who's rules and punishments are even harsher than ours, like they warn for using swear abbreviations and mute straight away for swearing, yet they are very successful with a stable playerbase of around 5000 per day, what im trying to say is that our playerbase is a lot younger than other networks and so our rules have to be slightly stricter, however the punishments themselves are very lenient at the moment, so we really cant do much more to ensure that everyone is happy, because if we remove rules to allow people to do certain things that will just make another group of people unhappy.

Again, no where was it said this was the only reason PZ’s player count is falling. The servers I assume you’re referring to actually have working games, a dedicated player base, 5+ years of existence, regular YouTubers that go on to play, a stable developer team, and a huge variety of games to play. They aren’t really comparable to PZ in that regard.

I don’t really think it’s anyone’s place to say if they’re mature enough to read something except the person reading it. If they have a problem, they can simply ignore it. The real immaturity lies with the people overexaggerate those kinds of situations.

Of course we can be compared to Neme as we have the same owner. It doesn’t make much sense to run something some way and then something else the polar opposite. There’s a happy medium between the two server’s rules and I think that’s where we should be.

 

[Spirits]

The punishment system works perfectly fine. If someone was banned falsely (which I have been) then they can appeal. If they were punished for a legitimate reason, they need to recognise that it was their mistake that led to the punishment. If a player gets banned because of a rule they weren't aware of, that's on them. And I don't see why you would want players with a history of punishments to keep playing on PartyZone. How I see it, it's better if the hackers and whatnot don't play on the server at all, a small, clean playerbase is much more efficient than a large playerbase brimming with hackers and the lot.

 

[Arujann]

The punishment system works perfectly fine. If someone was banned falsely (which I have been) then they can appeal. If they were punished for a legitimate reason, they need to recognise that it was their mistake that led to the punishment. If a player gets banned because of a rule they weren't aware of, that's on them. And I don't see why you would want players with a history of punishments to keep playing on PartyZone. How I see it, it's better if the hackers and whatnot don't play on the server at all, a small, clean playerbase is much more efficient than a large playerbase brimming with hackers and the lot.

A “small and clean” playerbase may be preferred by some— but servers of this size are more than games and need a sustained population to be able to make money. People don’t run servers just for the heck of it.

 

[Aluux]

Again, no where was it said this was the only reason PZ’s player count is falling. The servers I assume you’re referring to actually have working games, a dedicated player base, 5+ years of existence, regular YouTubers that go on to play, a stable developer team, and a huge variety of games to play. They aren’t really comparable to PZ in that regard.

I don’t really think it’s anyone’s place to say if they’re mature enough to read something except the person reading it. If they have a problem, they can simply ignore it. The real immaturity lies with the people overexaggerate those kinds of situations.

Of course we can be compared to Neme as we have the same owner. It doesn’t make much sense to run something some way and then something else the polar opposite. There’s a happy medium between the two server’s rules and I think that’s where we should be.

I feel as if though you need to take the perspective of a staff member into consideration as well, we're trying our hardest to make the network a stable place for all players of all ages, not everyone is going to be happy about their punishments, not everyone is going to be happy about our rules however we aren't going to change it all because a minority of the players feel as though they're too harsh, every network is going to have players who feel that way and as staff we kind of just have to move forwards, as I said we can't please everyone on the network, there will never be a time that everyone will be happy with the rules we have, some people think they're fine, if we make them more lenient then people will complain they're not harsh enough, if we make them harsher people will complain they're too harsh - what im trying to say is that no matter what we do to them, there will always be some people who wont agree with our decisions.

 

[Arujann]

I feel as if though you need to take the perspective of a staff member into consideration as well, we're trying our hardest to make the network a stable place for all players of all ages, not everyone is going to be happy about their punishments, not everyone is going to be happy about our rules however we aren't going to change it all because a minority of the players feel as though they're too harsh, every network is going to have players who feel that way and as staff we kind of just have to move forwards, as I said we can't please everyone on the network, there will never be a time that everyone will be happy with the rules we have, some people think they're fine, if we make them more lenient then people will complain they're not harsh enough, if we make them harsher people will complain they're too harsh - what im trying to say is that no matter what we do to them, there will always be some people who wont agree with our decisions.

If you may recall, I was a staff member. I do understand your perspective. During my time as staff I still believed the rules were too harsh but it was my job to follow and enforce them.

A “minority of players” would entail a few people supporting the suggestion. The ratio of should and shouldn’t speaks for itsself.

 

[Tommy :(]

Short and sweet.

The punishment system and rules as it stands is a bit trigger happy on punishing players, despite the fact that said punishment will often lead players to quit the server for good.

I'd love to know statistics for the amount of players that have been banned vs the amount of unique players we have. I'd imagine it's quite a lot.

By toning down punishments ever so slightly, the amount of players lost for questionable punishment reasons is reduced and helps to keep the server alive for a little longer. The player counts have continued to dwindle in the couple hundreds over the years since 2014, it's no better time for change.

you are right I know a lot of people that because they got banned for a month they quitted play mcpz and went in other servers. And I saw in this days that there are some helper and mods that just want to warn and mute people, I wont say names but on of my friends got muted for a lot of hours for saying a thing that a helper did in the past and that same helper muted him after 2 seconds without even a warning ad I think the staff give punishments based on how they like the person.
For me is a YES .

 

[Aluux]

If you may recall, I was a staff member. I do understand your perspective. During my time as staff I still believed the rules were too harsh but it was my job to follow and enforce them.

A “minority of players” would entail a few people supporting the suggestion. The ratio of should and shouldn’t speaks for itsself.

The should implement is 10 people, that’s a minority of our playerbase, if we change the punishments and rules, another minority of people will say that they want this rule put back in place because they find it unfair that people can say, or do this thing now. Our rules and punishments as they are suit the majority of the players on the network, if the majority of people are able to obey and not break the rules then we aren’t going to change them.

 

[Emviar]

I agree with @cat, though, we should have examples of this kind of stuff. We can't generalize all punishments.

 

[Arujann]

The should implement is 10 people, that’s a minority of our playerbase, if we change the punishments and rules, another minority of people will say that they want this rule put back in place because they find it unfair that people can say, or do this thing now. Our rules and punishments as they are suit the majority of the players on the network, if the majority of people are able to obey and not break the rules then we aren’t going to change them.

I don’t think I can name one person who would be upset about a more lenient punishment policy. On the other hand, I can name tons that would be upset over a harsher one. I don’t really see your point.

If how the punishment system is now suited the majority of players— we wouldn’t have so many people complaining about how it’s harsh. I understand the forums isn’t everyone, but when a large amount of people upvote a suggestion— that’s when we take it into consideration.

Let me quick put this thread I made here a while ago— https://mcpz.net/threads/more-leniency-on-chat-restrictions.41901/

I feel it worthwhile to point out that over 25 people liked it— with no negative feedback. You were among the 28 people who agreed with it so I don’t see why you’re disagreeing with this. The rules have hardly changed since then.

 

[MariTheVillain]

This is a friendly little reminder to ensure that everyone who comes across these posts remembers: Partyzone, it's forums, and a majority of it's other official platforms, are supposed to be family friendly. So please, do remember to keep the debate civil.

To address some claims made: The staff members do what they can to provide a safe, comfortable, and clean experience for it's users. sometimes things get out of hand that aren't necessarily outside of the bounds of the rules, but are still making users uncomfortable. So then a staff member will ask for the situation to stop before it potentially disturbs, offends, and/or negatively effects a portion of the player base.

Not to mention that the leniency which has slowly, but surely, been added is being abused fairly regularly. We can not honestly make it much more so without risking the experiences of the users playing within the rules, and without dramatically changing what PZ is really about.

 

[Merp]

In my eyes the punishments as a whole I can't see anything wrong or bad on how we handle it. But if you perhaps mentioned a certain punishment/s then we could perhaps discuss those as I feel like I don't see anything clearly wrong with our own punishments right now. I'd be fine and i'm sure others will agree with me if maybe you'd tell us what punishments you believe need changing/fixing and we could discuss that but as of right now I feel like we don't need to change our whole punishment system. As we have a punishment system to keep our servers family friendly environment. As @jedijoe stated we have slowly adding a bit of leniency has been regularly abused and we don't want to risk making it more abused by changing our whole system to become more lenient. I'm sure us staff could discuss maybe certain punishments if you state which ones you clearly are having issues with but I feel like we as staff shouldn't have to change our whole punishment system because you feel as if it is too harsh as some of our punishments are there to keep you safe and have partyzone stay a safe place. As well as @cat stated above we have appeals and reports for a reason, so it isn't like we punish and then you can't do anything about it.

I will be staying neutral for now on this.

 

[Arujann]

I'm sure us staff could discuss maybe certain punishments if you state which ones you clearly are having issues with

I feel like that’s exactly the problem. Staff making decisions without consulting the playerbase first— I mean, the only people disagreeing are staff and the majority of agree-ers are non-staff or ex-staff. Shouldn’t we get a say in these matters? There isn’t a point in being so strict when almost nobody cares about some of the lighter suggestive language— that just causes players and staff to bump heads

 

[SomePersonn]

Personally I think some of the punishments are a bit harsh like yeah some are perfect like the one for griefing but I’m seeing staff supporting each other saying it’s not strict but if you staff members were put in our shoes in this current time you would understand what us players are trying to tell you but you don’t really have that feeling of being a player anymore you have the mentality of a staff member and have forgotten what it’s like to be a player so just imagine being in our shoes for once and stop bringing up the rules

(P.S I was warned for this)

 

[Tyler]

The punishment system works perfectly fine. If someone was banned falsely (which I have been) then they can appeal. If they were punished for a legitimate reason, they need to recognise that it was their mistake that led to the punishment. If a player gets banned because of a rule they weren't aware of, that's on them. And I don't see why you would want players with a history of punishments to keep playing on PartyZone. How I see it, it's better if the hackers and whatnot don't play on the server at all, a small, clean playerbase is much more efficient than a large playerbase brimming with hackers and the lot.

My friend that is where you're wrong. I've been falsely punished and appealed, yet I've not been allowed to appeal. I didn't need to recognize any mistakes, as I didn't make any. So, you're wrong.

 

[Timelord]

Personally I think some of the punishments are a bit harsh like yeah some are perfect like the one for griefing but I’m seeing staff supporting each other saying it’s not strict but if you staff members were put in our shoes in this current time you would understand what us players are trying to tell you but you don’t really have that feeling of being a player anymore you have the mentality of a staff member and have forgotten what it’s like to be a player so just imagine being in our shoes for once and stop bringing up the rules

(P.S I was warned for this)

I wasn't planning to reply until the actual rules that are unjust were stated but oh well.

Sorry, but I don't think emotional trama is needed. The only players I see acting out are the ones who are popular and with all the friends. I reported someone just yesterday for advertizing twice and it was someone pretty well known. They only were muted... but if we look back a long time ago when advertizing could get you banned.
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Instead of using the hate card against staff please just state what rules need to change or punishments that need to be turned down. All I have gotten though these posts are Emotional trama or statements that get me no where in why it needs to be turned down or changed.

How about we be actual human beings and talk about the real issue not some hate post against staff, because that is what it is currently turning into.

@Arujann @unstinc @ anyone against this argument...

What rules or punishments are too much? Not some emotional story about how staff have no right to speak here or give their opinion but a actual conversation with intelligent human beings where we talk about the actual problem.

 

[ryosco]

I agree, I think staff should be more reasonable.

I agree, I think staff should be more reasonable.

GamerGuts sets the perfect example as a reasonable and logical staff member.

 

[Nashi]

I agree, I think staff should be more reasonable.


GamerGuts sets the perfect example as a reasonable and logical staff member.

What are some examples or reasoning behind this? Just saying that staff should be more reasonable won't help us, we need examples of what we can do to meet what y'all want.