Feedback More leniency on chat restrictions

[Kraetys]

i wasnt making an argument either lol

I agree as well, if such words like wtf and others can be spoken of on PartyZone, I believe saying mother muffin is as harmless as a moth.


And as of the situation of what you disclose as hard to figure out, TimeLord. It is very simple. If the staff team allows us to say terms like wtf than why not mother muffin. If anything, saying mother muffin is good! You can be thanking your mothers muffins. We aren't breaking any rules as I know because, one, both words mother and muffin are the farthest away you can get from cursing. And two, it's just an adorable word. So as I will agree with many on this topic, it is not hard to figure out, and it is not a bad word to say.

@Arujann
He's NOT saying it would be a bad thing to think of.
He's NOT saying "Don't add it."
He's saying it depends on multiple variables if you get warned, and probably saying staff would need to be informed first.


However, while bypassing the chat filter like the methods stated in this thread shouldn't be a problem, rudeness is still a rule, so if someone's being rude to you with these words, it's still against the rules.

 

[MamaMiia]

I would like to add something else to this thread having to do with the chat leniency. Recently, I was saying "LOL" and using capital letters for one word sentences. I got a verbal warning to "Watch the caps." First of all, saying "LOL" and "LMAO" is completely harmless and last time I checked it was never against the rules. I understand rules have changed recently (as it seems) but saying these simple statements should absolutely be allowed. One of my friends shortly after said "HEYYY!" to someone that said hello to him. He got a warning. I wanted to add this on to this suggestion as this proves that the staff team is taking the punishment guidelines way to strictly and it has gotten out of hand. Using command warnings should only be used if it is necessary. Saying HEYYY in chat and getting warned... really? As said before, this is just driving away players from PZ. I am not going to call out the staff member who did this, but there could also be some biased choices taking place on the server. Although, I do not want to start arguments or question your authorities.

 

[AngryRena]

I personally think that some chat restrictions are a bit too much and contradictory to each other as well. I think our strictness is often driving certain players away and not bringing new ones in.

However, I've noticed that suggestions like this can get out of hand so I'd like to state that as of now, saying such things to bypass the filter are against the rules and saying them repeatedly will get you punished, no matter your stance on the issue.

 

[Aluux]

If players keep doing it all that'll happen is the server will have no players left so, should probably think about changing it because no one actually knows this is against the rules

 

[Kraetys]

Staff also needs to get on giving EXACT EXAMPLES of every rule and punishment, rather than this vague fudgery.

 

[ArrayLists]

I wasn't making a argument :/ just stating that it's a hard topic to sort out.
1. Pz's age group
2. Staff are biased to these phases because of different point of views.
3. And the list can go on...

Simply allowing it is nice and all yet what will the effect be? Will it even change? I'm not picking any side here since it's more of a server topic not a people topic. Does the server want to be kid friendly or change its meaning for kid friendly.

PZ's age group doesn't really exist as it's a wide variety of ages. What you're implying is that wtf, lmao, lmfao and other abbreviations don't really give a hint into what they mean but mother muffin does? I wouldn't take mother muffin as an offense unless it was directed to me in a rude way. In order to tell if a word is bad you HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT, if you do not do this, you cannot punish the user for being inappropriate. Take some other words for example, the word "hoe" has two meanings the actual tool and another meaning which I shouldn't say. Either way it should be fine to say mother muffin and other words that aren't really swearing

 

[Dizzeh]

Staff also needs to get on giving EXACT EXAMPLES of every rule and punishment, rather than this vague fudgery.

We can't give every example so there has to be some vagueness

 

[Timelord]

PZ's age group doesn't really exist as it's a wide variety of ages. What you're implying is that wtf, lmao, lmfao and other abbreviations don't really give a hint into what they mean but mother muffin does? I wouldn't take mother muffin as an offense unless it was directed to me in a rude way. In order to tell if a word is bad you HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT, if you do not do this, you cannot punish the user for being inappropriate. Take some other words for example, the word "hoe" has two meanings the actual tool and another meaning which I shouldn't say. Either way it should be fine to say mother muffin and other words that aren't really swearing

Yea sorry I have a hard time getting my point across. Wtf could mean various things yet mother muffin is for certain what they are using. Sometimes content clues are vague in what it could mean. Yea mother muffin should be fine to say. Just that before we allow it let's take a step back and think of the effects.

 

[Arujann]

Yea sorry I have a hard time getting my point across. Wtf could mean various things yet mother muffin is for certain what they are using. Sometimes content clues are vague in what it could mean. Yea mother muffin should be fine to say. Just that before we allow it let's take a step back and think of the effects.

What are said "effects" you mentioned?

 

[Timelord]

What are said "effects" you mentioned?

For example: I don't know how many people's parents are against such words yet if the person were to not be permitted on such servers or to say it let's say they did one of these things. The parent might banish them from playing pz. Thus we lose player count depending on how many there is.

Yet we could gain player count for opening our policy to these words.

Little things here and their such as group changes, maturity levels, rudeness reporting and how it works, and etc

So yea that's really all I can think of. These aren't certain to happen yet just think of them and if it did happen would you want that. Personally I don't care as long as murder is up I'm fine. If you want it then go ahead I wasn't trying to make this big argument yet it turns out that I am the complete worst at explaining my opinion hah.

 

[Kraetys]

We can't give every example so there has to be some vagueness

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The rules are so vague right now, you're either getting punished for everything or nothing.

 

[Dizzeh]

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The rules are so vague right now, you're either getting punished for everything or nothing.

The rules you're looking at have been the exact same for nearly a year, longer with minor changes.

 

[Kraetys]

The rules you're looking at have been the exact same for nearly a year, longer with minor changes.

MY POINT EXACTLY.

 

[MamaMiia]

Alright, I wanted to leave this thread but so much more needs to be added. Recently someone brought the topic up of the recent events happening in Texas. We were told that "it is not to be discussed on PZ" and "PZ is not the place for such a disastrous topic." Natural disasters are very traumatic, and I understand if it is a sensitive topic. But punishing for it, really...? I can raise awareness for the people effected. I can encourage people to donate and help out. When the tragedies in Manchester and Paris happened, staff were encouraged to raise awareness by saying Pray for paris, etc. Yet, if people were making jokes about it thats when they shut it down. Those tragedies happened a long time ago, and just proves that the staff team is becoming EXTREMELY strict on chat restrictions. Also, it came to my attention that Partyzone's own staff members were discussing the hurricane on the forums, raising awareness. If players are not allowed, why are staff members? The staff members are the ones that influence the whole server. This is very unfair and in my eyes biased as well. Recently I asked another staff member, and they gave me a completely different answer, saying it is allowed if talked about appropriately and calmly. The last staff member i asked said it is against the rules regardless. This could first be looked at as biased depending on where the staff member lives, and also adds up to my question i asked about staff not being on the same page.

 

[Tyler]

Staff also needs to get on giving EXACT EXAMPLES of every rule and punishment, rather than this vague fudgery.

and rather than making up excuses to kick people as they go.

 

[Dizzeh]

This thread is causing issues and animosity so it will be locked. You will hear an answer to the original issue at hand once leadership discusses it.

As staff we have certain things to abide by when someone breaks the rules but it isn't always black and white. A lot of it is your own intuition which would be why you're getting different responses about certain cases. You will also hear about this soon.

Lastly, if you received a punishment from something that you don't think you deserve, create a punishment appeal or a staff abuse report or talk to a staff member privately about it. Openly causing issues will just cause more issues and not resolve anything, thank you.