Lack of Interest Remove 'Temple' map

[Zantoro]

Due to the unpopularity of the map, I think that Temple should be removed altogether and possibly replaced with something new. The only good thing about the map is the secret passage in the water. I know this is similar to what Kray3tys said, but instead of removing a few bugs or glitches, I want the map itself removed, for the following reasons:

• Glitches and bugs
• The ability to fall out of the world
• The map's unpopularity
• It is quite a small map and could be replaced with something better
• Barely any spots to hide or avoid being seen

I know this is probably just me, but I just don't think that temple is such a good map for a game like murder, to me it seems like a map that would be good for freeze tag.

 

[Fox]

This is just MY personal opinion about this.

1: The only glitch/bug I've found was the map abuse where you can climb up into the tree.

2: That should be fixed.

3: It gets voted a lot when I tend to play murder.

4: The map is quite large for pathways but a bit smaller for the outside.

5: I personally think that's good map design because I feel like bystanders SHOULDN'T camp and instead try to kill the murderer.

6: Temple is way too big to be a freeze tag map.

 

[aiden]

Not remove entirely, but make HUGE changes.
Bigger pathways, wall around the water, make trees WAY higher, etc

 

[Kraetys]

Tbh a couple of your reasons are bad but I agree.

1: The only glitch/bug I've found was the map abuse where you can climb up into the tree

They've tried twice now to fix the map abuse in temple.
Guess what hasn't been fixed?

4: The map is quite large for pathways but a bit smaller for the outside.

But the thing is, all those pathways are narrow, and when it comes to murder, a small open space > large narrow spaces.

 

[Cattt]

I agree with this suggestion.
As a dedicated player of Murder, Temple has to be my least favorite map for several reasons.

• The complex interior of temple makes it hard to escape from the murderer, or even attempt to simply exit.

• Players are able to avoid being killed by the murderer, completely ruining the point of the game, by taking an "easier" way out by jumping off the edge. I find this extremely annoying, especially when being murderer because the objective is to kill players. It takes away the thrill of achieving the kills that a player may want for several reasons.

• Instead of there being no spots to hide, as you stated, I personally believe there are too many. Players can camp in trees, hide in dead end areas and other corners located around the edge of the map. While hiding in these places, it can really be unfair and sometimes even unreachable.

Though I'm sure the build team worked hard on building this map, it is not appropriate for a game such as Murder.
It brings unfair advantages to both sides; majority against the Murderer team and affects the game in a negative way.
I advise the team to reconsider the map and replace it, remove it or make changes to the map. It would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Kraetys]

Due to the unpopularity of the map, I think that Temple should be removed altogether and possibly replaced with something new. The only good thing about the map is the secret passage in the water. I know this is similar to what Kray3tys said, but instead of removing a few bugs or glitches, I want the map itself removed, for the following reasons:

• Glitches and bugs
• The ability to fall out of the world
• The map's unpopularity
• It is quite a small map and could be replaced with something better
• Barely any spots to hide or avoid being seen

I know this is probably just me, but I just don't think that temple is such a good map for a game like murder, to me it seems like a map that would be good for freeze tag.

This is just MY personal opinion about this.

1: The only glitch/bug I've found was the map abuse where you can climb up into the tree.

2: That should be fixed.

3: It gets voted a lot when I tend to play murder.

4: The map is quite large for pathways but a bit smaller for the outside.

5: I personally think that's good map design because I feel like bystanders SHOULDN'T camp and instead try to kill the murderer.

6: Temple is way too big to be a freeze tag map.

Not remove entirely, but make HUGE changes.
Bigger pathways, wall around the water, make trees WAY higher, etc

I agree with this suggestion.
As a dedicated player of Murder, Temple has to be my least favorite map for several reasons.

• The complex interior of temple makes it hard to escape from the murderer, or even attempt to simply exit.

• Players are able to avoid being killed by the murderer, completely ruining the point of the game, by taking an "easier" way out by jumping off the edge. I find this extremely annoying, especially when being murderer because the objective is to kill players. It takes away the thrill of achieving the kills that a player may want for several reasons.

• Instead of there being no spots to hide, as you stated, I personally believe there are too many. Players can camp in trees, hide in dead end areas and other corners located around the edge of the map. While hiding in these places, it can really be unfair and sometimes even unreachable.

Though I'm sure the build team worked hard on building this map, it is not appropriate for a game such as Murder.
It brings unfair advantages to both sides; majority against the Murderer team and affects the game in a negative way.
I advise the team to reconsider the map and replace it, remove it or make changes to the map. It would be greatly appreciated.

You get more coins the more people you kill, so when people jump off you're losing money, just thought I should let you know.

 

[allgoodstoobler]

Removing the map entirely isn't necessary, however, some good points have been brought up.

• I'd suggest placing barriers in specific areas. (e.g. edge of map)
• Possibly try to remove some vines falling from the tree so players will not be able to access the hiding spots on the tree; or simply remove some hiding spots or make them more visible.
• The temple is very confusing to the player as it is difficult to find a way out of the temple giving the Murderer an upper chance to catch the player.

However, making less hiding spots is ruling out the ability to use the method of tracking a player with the dye, "I am next to 'X'!" It has been placed there for a reason and removing many hiding spots is just making it useless to the Murderer or others. I must also agree with @Kra3tys and his idea about why the pathways are acceptable the way they are.

But the thing is, all those pathways are narrow, and when it comes to murder, a small open space > large narrow spaces.

 

[Timelord]

Due to the unpopularity of the map, I think that Temple should be removed altogether and possibly replaced with something new. The only good thing about the map is the secret passage in the water. I know this is similar to what Kray3tys said, but instead of removing a few bugs or glitches, I want the map itself removed, for the following reasons:

• Glitches and bugs
• The ability to fall out of the world
• The map's unpopularity
• It is quite a small map and could be replaced with something better
• Barely any spots to hide or avoid being seen

I know this is probably just me, but I just don't think that temple is such a good map for a game like murder, to me it seems like a map that would be good for freeze tag.

Tbh I disagree. It's the only map I know that is hard to xray in. Because of jungle temples being avaliable in xray they usually don't remove the stone brick and such. Also the map makes it difficult not too many maps do this.

I agree with this suggestion.
As a dedicated player of Murder, Temple has to be my least favorite map for several reasons.

• The complex interior of temple makes it hard to escape from the murderer, or even attempt to simply exit.

• Players are able to avoid being killed by the murderer, completely ruining the point of the game, by taking an "easier" way out by jumping off the edge. I find this extremely annoying, especially when being murderer because the objective is to kill players. It takes away the thrill of achieving the kills that a player may want for several reasons.

• Instead of there being no spots to hide, as you stated, I personally believe there are too many. Players can camp in trees, hide in dead end areas and other corners located around the edge of the map. While hiding in these places, it can really be unfair and sometimes even unreachable.

Though I'm sure the build team worked hard on building this map, it is not appropriate for a game such as Murder.
It brings unfair advantages to both sides; majority against the Murderer team and affects the game in a negative way.
I advise the team to reconsider the map and replace it, remove it or make changes to the map. It would be greatly appreciated.

I don't see how your dedicated but what ever just trying to boost your ego or what ever :/.

1. It really isn't that complex. The only way you could get lost is by hiding and not wanting to get out.

2. If players want to jump it's on them and yes it Is hard to kill people if you play it dumb. Each map has different ways to go about it. Dino is my favorite for sneaky sneak attacks.

3. Well the tree isn't too much of a problem yet that's the only thing that needs to change. It's only unfair if you want to believe it's unfair. It's just like any other map just the whole map has it. Sure it's crowded yet provides some planning to attack.

The map is fine unless you don't use your brain.

 

[Cattt]

Tbh I disagree. It's the only map I know that is hard to xray in. Because of jungle temples being avaliable in xray they usually don't remove the stone brick and such. Also the map makes it difficult not too many maps do this.

I don't see how your dedicated but what ever just trying to boost your ego or what ever :/.

1. It really isn't that complex. The only way you could get lost is by hiding and not wanting to get out.

2. If players want to jump it's on them and yes it Is hard to kill people if you play it dumb. Each map has different ways to go about it. Dino is my favorite for sneaky sneak attacks.

3. Well the tree isn't too much of a problem yet that's the only thing that needs to change. It's only unfair if you want to believe it's unfair. It's just like any other map just the whole map has it. Sure it's crowded yet provides some planning to attack.

The map is fine unless you don't use your brain.

All do respect, I am not trying to "boost" my ego. If anything, it's really nothing to brag about considering this is MineCraft and there are bigger things outside my computer. But yes, I am considered a "dedicated" player because I am a rank 10. I'm not bragging, I am just trying to emphasize as a player who has played Murder a lot,specifically Temple, it has a lot of noticeable faults that should be addressed properly.

I respect your thoughts on the topic, we can agree to disagree.

After reading your points, I still feel the map is not the best fit for Murder.

 

[Timelord]

All do respect, I am not trying to "boost" my ego. If anything, it's really nothing to brag about considering this is MineCraft and there are bigger things outside my computer. But yes, I am considered a "dedicated" player because I am a rank 10. I'm not bragging, I am just trying to emphasize as a player who has played Murder a lot,specifically Temple, it has a lot of noticeable faults that should be addressed properly.

I respect your thoughts on the topic, we can agree to disagree.

After reading your points, I still feel the map is not the best fit for Murder.

Agreed. Still ranks are completely stupid so honestly if you call yourself dedicated that's a lie. You can call yourself decent since ranks do tell some truths yet only very little truths.

Yea it has faults. Vines, small places like a lot, and very crowded. Your forgetting that all maps have disadvantages. Big or small they have disadvantages. But we can agree to disagree. I see your points and you see mine that is all that is needed.
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Minecraft is minecraft yes bigger things exist yet it's easier to feel better from boosting your ego in a game since it's easier.

 

[Kraetys]

Removing the map entirely isn't necessary, however, some good points have been brought up.

• I'd suggest placing barriers in specific areas. (e.g. edge of map)
• Possibly try to remove some vines falling from the tree so players will not be able to access the hiding spots on the tree; or simply remove some hiding spots or make them more visible.
• The temple is very confusing to the player as it is difficult to find a way out of the temple giving the Murderer an upper chance to catch the player.

However, making less hiding spots is ruling out the ability to use the method of tracking a player with the dye, "I am next to 'X'!" It has been placed there for a reason and removing many hiding spots is just making it useless to the Murderer or others. I must also agree with @Kra3tys and his idea about why the pathways are acceptable the way they are.

I'm saying that they aren't acceptable because of this...
The dye tracker isn't meant for this purpose, and even if it was it doesn't work effectively because of how it's set up.
The dye tracker is meant to say, "I am next to x." "I am next to the murderer."

Tbh I disagree. It's the only map I know that is hard to xray in. Because of jungle temples being avaliable in xray they usually don't remove the stone brick and such. Also the map makes it difficult not too many maps do this.

I don't see how your dedicated but what ever just trying to boost your ego or what ever :/.

1. It really isn't that complex. The only way you could get lost is by hiding and not wanting to get out.

2. If players want to jump it's on them and yes it Is hard to kill people if you play it dumb. Each map has different ways to go about it. Dino is my favorite for sneaky sneak attacks.

3. Well the tree isn't too much of a problem yet that's the only thing that needs to change. It's only unfair if you want to believe it's unfair. It's just like any other map just the whole map has it. Sure it's crowded yet provides some planning to attack.

The map is fine unless you don't use your brain.

1 - It's too small though
2 - If you're talking about the edge here -

You get more coins the more people you kill, so when people jump off you're losing money, just thought I should let you know.

3- Actually you can use the vines on the tree to get outside the map, a problem that still isn't fixed.
Not sure how but I've seen the results a couple times.

I agree that the temple is easy to figure out, but there's no movement space inside, you're basically trapped, the terrain outside is uneven and hard to move around, the whole map is pretty much dedicated to camping with all the bugs, the waterfall, and the spaces with only one entrance.
It's been the worst map since the dawn of murder.

Also cattt is pretty good tbh, they don't need to boost their ego, unlike you, who can only seem to find a fit in attacking other people personally on a thread about a map.

 

[allgoodstoobler]

I'm saying that they aren't acceptable because of this...

Then another suggestion would be to leave more open room I suppose.

 

[sweeteaa]

Agreed. Still ranks are completely stupid so honestly if you call yourself dedicated that's a lie. You can call yourself decent since ranks do tell some truths yet only very little truths.

Yea it has faults. Vines, small places like a lot, and very crowded. Your forgetting that all maps have disadvantages. Big or small they have disadvantages. But we can agree to disagree. I see your points and you see mine that is all that is needed.
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Minecraft is minecraft yes bigger things exist yet it's easier to feel better from boosting your ego in a game since it's easier.

I recommend trying to insult someone saying that they're "boosting they're ego" shouldn't apply to your comment. She is a dedicated player if she calls herself a dedicated player.

Ranks are all dedicated to the community because they show big custody for this community just for money and just for a game. I advise you don't create a problem.

If I were you I would consider her a dedicated player if she's rank #10 on the leaderboard.

All do respect, I am not trying to "boost" my ego. If anything, it's really nothing to brag about considering this is MineCraft and there are bigger things outside my computer. But yes, I am considered a "dedicated" player because I am a rank 10. I'm not bragging, I am just trying to emphasize as a player who has played Murder a lot,specifically Temple, it has a lot of noticeable faults that should be addressed properly.

I respect your thoughts on the topic, we can agree to disagree.

After reading your points, I still feel the map is not the best fit for Murder.

Cat I can definitely agree with your points. Big changes need to be made and I actually dislike the map myself as well

Removing the map entirely isn't necessary, however, some good points have been brought up.

• I'd suggest placing barriers in specific areas. (e.g. edge of map)
• Possibly try to remove some vines falling from the tree so players will not be able to access the hiding spots on the tree; or simply remove some hiding spots or make them more visible.
• The temple is very confusing to the player as it is difficult to find a way out of the temple giving the Murderer an upper chance to catch the player.

However, making less hiding spots is ruling out the ability to use the method of tracking a player with the dye, "I am next to 'X'!" It has been placed there for a reason and removing many hiding spots is just making it useless to the Murderer or others. I must also agree with @Kra3tys and his idea about why the pathways are acceptable the way they are.

@Stoofan I can agree that moving the entire map isn't nessecary but HUGE changes do need to be made. Like the points you made out were perfect to explain.
Huge. Changes.

Tbh a couple of your reasons are bad but I agree.



They've tried twice now to fix the map abuse in temple.
Guess what hasn't been fixed?



But the thing is, all those pathways are narrow, and when it comes to murder, a small open space > large narrow spaces.

Much agreed.

In conclusion there only need to be put in huge changes in order for this map to be better, as listed above.
It's unessacary to remove the entire map.

 

[Kraetys]

It's unessacary to remove the entire map.

I disagree, the changes that need to be made are so large that you might as well remove and have solari rebuild it.

 

[Timelord]

I'm saying that they aren't acceptable because of this...

1 - It's too small though
2 - If you're talking about the edge here -

3- Actually you can use the vines on the tree to get outside the map, a problem that still isn't fixed.
Not sure how but I've seen the results a couple times.

I agree that the temple is easy to figure out, but there's no movement space inside, you're basically trapped, the terrain outside is uneven and hard to move around, the whole map is pretty much dedicated to camping with all the bugs, the waterfall, and the spaces with only one entrance.
It's been the worst map since the dawn of murder.

Also cattt is pretty good tbh, they don't need to boost their ego, unlike you, who can only seem to find a fit in attacking other people personally on a thread about a map.

Yes yet that is what makes maps difficult. It depends on where you go and what you do. Really well who knows maybe they hacked but anyways there are multiable unknowns.
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I don't attack people and it's not that I have a personal grudge against them. It's that they appeared to give a I'm better than everyone approach and do I gate them in the old days. Guess it's just a thing of mine. Cat might be good yet anyone can get good.

I recommend trying to insult someone saying that they're "boosting they're ego" shouldn't apply to your comment. She is a dedicated player if she calls herself a dedicated player.

Ranks are all dedicated to the community because they show big custody for this community just for money and just for a game. I advise you don't create a problem.

If I were you I would consider her a dedicated player if she's rank #10 on the leaderboard.

Again ranks are dumb they don't show anything. I could be rank dirt going against diamond and win multiable times. Honestly they need to fix it :/.

 

[sweeteaa]

I disagree, the changes that need to be made are so large that you might as well remove and have solari rebuild it.

That's actually a way better idea, I never thought of it. Though this is to be thought out between administrators if they want to rebuild it themselves or just having Solari rebuild it for them

 

[Kraetys]

Agreed. Still ranks are completely stupid so honestly if you call yourself dedicated that's a lie. You can call yourself decent since ranks do tell some truths yet only very little truths.

Yea it has faults. Vines, small places like a lot, and very crowded. Your forgetting that all maps have disadvantages. Big or small they have disadvantages. But we can agree to disagree. I see your points and you see mine that is all that is needed.
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Minecraft is minecraft yes bigger things exist yet it's easier to feel better from boosting your ego in a game since it's easier.

1 - To be honest ranks are a pretty good sign of how dedicated you are, not so much skill, but you have to stay on a lot to get a high rank.

2 - Yea, every map has it's faults, but temple is a fault line.
It needs a good earthquake tbh.

3 - Again, attacking someone personally over their opinion on a map.
You've officially lost my respect.

 

[allgoodstoobler]

That's actually a way better idea, I never thought of it. Though this is to be thought out between administrators if they want to rebuild it themselves or just having Solari rebuild it for them

We assist them in finding reasons to apply suggestions and why some things should be changed in each suggestion.

 

[Kraetys]

Yes yet that is what makes maps difficult. It depends on where you go and what you do. Really well who knows maybe they hacked but anyways there are multiable unknowns.
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I don't attack people and it's not that I have a personal grudge against them. It's that they appeared to give a I'm better than everyone approach and do I gate them in the old days. Guess it's just a thing of mine. Cat might be good yet anyone can get good.

No other map is this difficult, or enraging.
At least have continuity on your side before you try to make this argument.

 

[sweeteaa]

Again ranks are dumb they don't show anything. I could be rank dirt going against diamond and win multiable times. Honestly they need to fix it :/.

Cat is talking about the leaderboard. She should be shown with respect if she is a good player at murder if she considers herself as one.

3 - Again, attacking someone personally over their opinion on a map.
You've officially lost my respect.

Agreed.