Lack of Interest Make it public to everyone

[crazymoose]

A pretty straightforward idea, I think elite survival should open to the public as I think it could attract more players to Party Zone if it wasn't donator exclusive. If a player was looking for a good survival server and I join MCPZ, why would I donate for a rank if there are very little people on survival? I propose they open survival to the public and give donor ranks some exclusive but not "pay2win" perks (there's a lot of perks that could be given to donors that don't violate EULA). I think MCPZ would make more money if they opened it to the public and some perks would have to be added to the ranks to compensate for the change as well as make it more appealing.

Edit: Instead of just clicking 'disagree', explain why you disagree and I will respond with a counterargument?

 

[ABennn]

This has been suggested many times before. Elite Survial is a main reason many people buy elite, it's unfair to all of us to remove that perk.

 

[crazymoose]

I understand where you're coming from however the pros outweigh the cons in my opinion. I think this change would benefit the community and would help grow MCPZ to be more popular.

 

[Nashi]

I think we should keep Elite Survival as an elite and elite+ only server.
I say this because it was one of the main reasons I bought elite+, and if MCPZ made it open to default ranks and vip and vip+, it would give people less of a reason to buy elite+. I know what you're gonna say, "Well, then more people will join, so that means more people to buy ranks!"
I don't think we should just bet on getting more players and taking away a reason to buy elite and elite+. The only other main reason will be world edit, and that's not really a reason for people who don't play creative.
-1

 

[ABennn]

I understand where you're coming from however the pros outweigh the cons in my opinion. I think this change would benefit the community and would help grow MCPZ to be more popular.

Actually, they don't. I paid with my own money to not only receive a bunch of worldedit commands, but to also access and play on elite survival.

By the way, ES doesn't violate EULA in any way. It is its own server that is access through the network. If there was like a lounge or something in the lobby that only elites could access, that would be concerned against the EULA.

Also, how would PZ get more money? What perks would be added to elites to make it more appealing?

I'm keeping my -1.

 

[chariisma]

Even though I don't have Elite + I am thinking about getting it for the survival. Alot of people have bought Elite + specifically for it and I think it should stay that way. -1

 

[NaNatNat]

Elite Survival is there to encourage people to buy the Elite ranks. Without it, PZ could lose some money. Elite Survival wouldn't even be able to stay "Elite Survival". Sorry, but I'm gonna' have to disagree. -1

 

[Twixela]

Honestly, I've considered posting this idea myself but the fact that I may have just been ripped off, spending money for a certain perk for the perk to accessible by all players in only a couple weeks changed my mind.

It isn't fair to those who donated money to the server is my main point here though. Maybe if they added a whole lot of other perks for Elites and Elite+'s the idea might be considerable but for as of right now it isn't that good of an idea. But I can relate to what you mean.

 

[crazymoose]

I was expecting to enter a conversation with open-mindedness people but boy I was wrongly mistaken.

Elite Survival is there to encourage people to buy the Elite ranks. Without it, PZ could lose some money. Elite Survival wouldn't even be able to stay "Elite Survival". Sorry, but I'm gonna' have to disagree. -1

To say PZ would lose money from making it public is a rather ignorant statement. If done correctly, it could increase revenue for the network and increase playerbase.

It isn't fair to those who donated money to the server is my main point here though. Maybe if they added a whole lot of other perks for Elites and Elite+'s the idea might be considerable but for as of right now it isn't that good of an idea. But I can relate to what you mean.

The most reasonable comment I've seen on this thread so far, I completely agree that if this was removed then the ranks should be compensated with more perks.

 

[ABennn]

I was expecting to enter a conversation with open-mindedness people but boy I was wrongly mistaken.

How are we not being open-minded? We're merely stating facts and reasons as to why this suggestion shouldn't be implemented.

To say PZ would lose money from making it public is a rather ignorant statement. If done correctly, it could increase revenue for the network and increase playerbase.

PartyZone wouldn't necessarily lose money, but it would lose a few people that are planning on buying Elite or Elite+. Therefore not gaining as much of a profit. If you can give me a good example of how they would gain money by doing this, then I might consider this idea a bit more.

 

[NaNatNat]

To say PZ would lose money from making it public is a rather ignorant statement. If done correctly, it could increase revenue for the network and increase playerbase.

PZ could lose some money.

I didn't say it was going to. I said it could. Especially with the player count rising, we want people buying Elite. Some people don't even build and WorldEdit could be considered useless to them. There'd be nothing but lobby gadgets and a few other in-game perks compelling people to buy the Elite ranks. I understand what you are trying to explain, but this has been suggested countless times and denied every time by players and administration.

EDIT: I used the wrong wording for this. I meant that partyzone might lose some profit. Not lose money.

 

[Nashi]

As @NaNatNat said above, for those who don't use creative or build, Elite and Elite+ would become quite useless ranks to them if this is implemented. If you have some ideas for benefits that could be used instead of Elite Survival, please tell me as I would like to hear.

I was expecting to enter a conversation with open-mindedness people but boy I was wrongly mistaken.

How are we not open minded? If you gave us some benefits that could be offered instead, I might rethink my opinion. But you have just said that it might increase revenue.

 

[Done_]

This has been suggested many times before and rejected. And mcpz could indeed loose money, the chances of loosing money is very high if this was implemented as Elite is the priciest rank which draws in the most money to keep the server going.And if it was impletmented it would loose players as well due to Elites been mad that they had spent money for an exclusive server only to have it taken away. And actually a lot of people do go on survival, ive been on with 30+ people before, but keep in mind that time zones do exist.

And, Not to be rude, but please do some research before suggesting again, thanks~

 

[Nashi]

To try to further our argument, I'd like to break down the perks for Elite and Elite+
Elite+:

• Make your name at the top of the tab list so you'll always been seen.
• Exclusive bold and colorful ELITE tag in chat and in tab.
• Make your messages stand out with white chat!
• Ability to apply for staff such as helper.
• Ability to have unlimited friends

^^All of the above are available for every rank except for default (just changing the tag and place on tab)

• Have up to 30 people to in a party. <May appeal to some people, but not enough to buy the rank
• Alpha test our upcoming games before it is released and provide feedback! <Nearly the same as beta-testing (available in VIP and VIP+ ranks), and wouldn't be enough to buy the rank
• Access to Elite only gadgets, clothing, and hats! <Doesn't appeal to many people, and I don't see myself using them a lot
• Join the VIP reserved slots in all of the games. <Available for VIP and VIP+
• Access to the Premium Channels in TeamSpeak! <Available for VIP and VIP+
• Ability to use voice activation in TeamSpeak instead of Push to Talk <Available for VIP and VIP+
• Access to the /fly command in main lobbies. <Available for VIP and VIP+
• Ability to spectate games that are in progress. (Coming Soon) <Available for VIP and VIP+

Creative Server Perks:

• 9 additonal plots in our creative server <This may appeal to players who build a lot, but for players who don't use creative, this is pretty useless. As well as I wouldn't pay $140 for 10 plots
• Join the VIP reserved slots in creative <Available for VIP and VIP+
• Basic worldedit commands such as //set <May appeal to builders, but not many others
• Advanced worldedit commands such a //copy,//paste, and brushes <Same as above
• Ability to change welcome message on your plots <VIP and VIP+
• Ability to wear any item as a hat in creative <VIP and VIP+
• Access to /speed in creative <VIP and VIP+

Minigame Perks:

• Access to Elite+ only cosmetics in our minigames <Doesn't appeal to many players
• Entry to your name in murder! <You can buy this for pretty cheap
• 10 extra hats in murder to unlock! <Doesn't appeal to many players (lots of players don't like hats, I didn't even know this existed XD)

Elite is the same thing as above, but no c/p and 8 plots, and 12 people in a party

So in conclusion, the only main things that may still appeal to players (if we don't add any awesome new benefits which is unlikely) is world edit and extra plots. Even then, I don't know who'd pay $80 or $140 just for some extra plots and world edit. And this only appeals to those who play on creative, and builders on creative more specifically

 

[ArrayLists]

A pretty straightforward idea, I think elite survival should open to the public as I think it could attract more players to Party Zone if it wasn't donator exclusive. If a player was looking for a good survival server and I join MCPZ, why would I donate for a rank if there are very little people on survival? I propose they open survival to the public and give donor ranks some exclusive but not "pay2win" perks (there's a lot of perks that could be given to donors that don't violate EULA). I think MCPZ would make more money if they opened it to the public and some perks would have to be added to the ranks to compensate for the change as well as make it more appealing.

Edit: Instead of just clicking 'disagree', explain why you disagree and I will respond with a counterargument?

No, here's why.

Typically a donor rank is made for perks that are there to encourage users to purchase it. If we just rip Elite Survival out of the perks then less people will buy Elite/Elite+. Also, this will cause more stress on staff which forces them to moderate two servers which will blow up in popularity if this is implemented. When people buy ranks they typically expect something really cool that they can use, and just saying that Elite Survival should be public and they should be given other perks is not really that far as they've spent $80+ for the rank. I know many people that typically won't spend $80+ for just WorldEdit, more plots and gadgets (As stated above by Chibino). Thus, causing users to feel "scammed" and users will stop buying it.

To say PZ would lose money from making it public is a rather ignorant statement. If done correctly, it could increase revenue for the network and increase playerbase.

No, it would not be ignorant, PZ will lose money if there are not enough perks were available for the ranks.

Picture it like this:
You make a product, and lets say it is a tool and you price it at a high price. Now, to make this balanced you have to add in features, if you don't, nobody is gonna buy it, meaning you make less money.

TL;DR; lack of perks = less money and more issues to be solved.

 

[hharis]

I feel like a lot of people make threads like this in hopes for themselves - so they can finally join the ES server.

As everyone has said, it's been suggested so many times. Yes, you may find it unfair to people who are not elite however as ArrayLists said PZ will lose money.

In all honesty this thread should get locked due to being a duplicate suggestion.

 

[ClockworkFlips]

Aside from the fact that it is one of the greatest perks for Elites only, it almost entirely eliminates the griefing/trolling factor for survival. People (most) who pay so much for a rank on a Minecraft server wouldn't do something stupid like that and risk their rank like that. Most people who tend to request this in the past have been VIPs or normies and I agree with @haris ,I feel like they do hope for themselves mostly, not seeing how it could negatively affect everyone else.

 

[CravenPython108]

I'm sensing a pattern... all the people whining about how people should have to buy elite to get on the survival server already have elite.

 

[hharis]

I'm sensing a pattern... all the people whining about how people should have to buy elite to get on the survival server already have elite.

I honestly do not think this is the case.

My reasoning behind this is that the Christmas sale made ranks really cheap therefore E+/ Elite are good to purchase.

 

[ClockworkFlips]

I'm sensing a pattern... all the people whining about how people should have to buy elite to get on the survival server already have elite.

Indeed because you dont see our perspective, you just see our ranks. We pay for our ranks, FOR the perks. ELITE survival is one of the perks. We paid for this we arent gonna hand it to people who dont put in the same as we all did. Thats not how this works lol. We see the pattern too, people who want Elite Survival to go public arent elite. This will always be an argument between Elites and Non-Elites, and it is definitely not needed here. Once again, as @haris said, this has been a common topic, and this thread should be locked