A lot of the staff members are already under this requirement and it would mean having to demote lots of really good staff members. Age doesn't make maturity and I see no problem with the current age needed.
Network Age for staff
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I believe they stated in the suggestion that the current staff members would still stay, but the requirement would be enforced for future applicants.
Wouldn't that just cause complaints and problems? If there's an age limit but current staff aren't affected, some people who are under the age limit would complain and say it's unfair.
I think that current rules of applying for helper should just stay the way it is. I don't really see a problem with any of the staff. They all seem pretty nice and supportive of the server. But for discord trainee, I agree with raising the age to 13+. I mean, some parents don't want their kids at age 11 or 12 on things like discord, and talking to people online.
I didn't say it wasn't? I just said it'll cause more complaints then there already is.
I mean, if anything it would be unfair to all the people who worked hard to become staff already. If people ask questions or complain we can simply state that those members were staff before it was decided that it would be best to raise the age limit.
By the way, I don’t agree with this suggestion. I’m just trying to remove some confusion on other people’s parts. My reasons for disagreeing with this have been stated multiple times already.
- I have worked with many junior members on the team for a long time. I have yet to encounter a sour moment they've had or that I've experienced with them and I have high doubts that it will ever occur. The staff members that are on the team who are younger than 15 or 16 are incredibly mature for their age. They can properly deal with both regular and stressful situations without hesitation or problems. Whenever they have a concern or issue they are not hesitant or afraid to speak to staff with a higher position.
- To be quite honest with you, any member of any age that is on the staff team can at any time abuse their powers. The age of a staff member does not affect the chances of this happening. Additionally, if this ever did happen, the administration team would properly handle it. This really isn't a huge concern along with the required age of applicants because as I've said, anyone can do it.
- We are all developing, I am nearly 17 and my sense of judgement and other skills are still not pristine. Me, amongst many others on the staff team, do make mistakes. The important factor of making mistakes is to simply realize you've made a mistake, and that you must learn from it.
- Keeping the staff that is currently under the age requirement would be extremely unfair to future applicants. It's taking away an option another applicant had, while another player interested in applying does not have that option available to them anymore. I feel as this would only create tension between younger players and staff members who are around the same age.
- I can confidently tell you that adjusting the age requirement will have absolutely 0 effects on player count. As we all know, the development team is low on members currently. The lack of members on the development team has dramatically affected the server. It has caused a delay in updates, bug/glitch fixes and more. It is ignorant to solely blame the player count decreasing just because we have a low age requirement for the staff team.
- You can be 18 and not understand these responsibilities or you can be 13 and not understand these responsibilities. Age isn't what matters, it is the fact that applicants are all learning when they are accepted. It is a new process and a lot of new responsibilities. I'll use myself as an example: I am a moderator and I am still learning.
- For example, you can have a 16-year old that hasn't had a moment in their life where they had to contribute to responsibilities or has had a major factor in their life that matured them. On the other hand, you can have a 13-year old who has had experience involving responsibilities and someone who has had a moment in their life where they had to mature early. Age does not matter in this case, experience does.
I cannot agree with this, simply because it is unfair and illogical, though, I respect your opinion and suggestion at hand. -1
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I agree with this, it wouldnt be fair for younger players if the current staff members that are 13, 14, get to stay as staff, but they can't. And the age doesn't really matter, just the fact that you're mature, and you can handle pressuring moments, a 17 year couldnt, but a 13 year could. Everyone matures at a different age, a 16 year old could've matured at age 15, meanwhile a 14 year old matured at age 9, the age doesn't matter.
You kind of offended the youth by categorizing numbers as "mature" and "immature."
I believe at the moment our age system is perfectly fine and our Discord & Network Staff are doing great. This gives our younger players an opportunity to go ahead and be apart of making the community a better place. Taking that away and making it so only older people or people that are supposedly considered "mature" will take away that factor and make it so the majority of our audiences cannot participate in helping along with moderation of our social platforms and network as well as not having a thorough communication between players. I respect the opinion of considering some of the staff as immature but we're all human and we all want to have fun and enjoy ourselves rather than straight up be strict with players and not show our love and care for the server. Being slightly immature should be no biggie but consistently being immature is something that should be looked into by the staff manager and reported about.
I believe at the moment our age system is perfectly fine and our Discord & Network Staff are doing great. This gives our younger players an opportunity to go ahead and be apart of making the community a better place. Taking that away and making it so only older people or people that are supposedly considered "mature" will take away that factor and make it so the majority of our audiences cannot participate in helping along with moderation of our social platforms and network as well as not having a thorough communication between players. I respect the opinion of considering some of the staff as immature but we're all human and we all want to have fun and enjoy ourselves rather than straight up be strict with players and not show our love and care for the server. Being slightly immature should be no biggie but consistently being immature is something that should be looked into by the staff manager and reported about.
As many have stated I will agree getting older doesn't mean you will be a better applicant. Words such as mature and immature aren't my cup of tea just to note for my own reasons.
Yet I will agree getting older usually gives many people the ability to be responsible and a more work focused life. In my school I can certainly say I won't trust 75% of my fellow peers for management. Still with a completely different 75% I trust them to do work and try their hardest. Getting older will help supporting foundations for becoming a good applicant yet will not create the person to become the ideal/ better applicant.
I would like the raise the limit not because age is a good variable but because I am certain it will increase acceptance ratio. I can not say the current system is good or not yet from my personal experience I extremely dislike staff for many reasons. Usually at 13 you don't know what you want to do or if you will like it, you are just trying to find your identity while at 16 to 18 you have found your identity mature or not you are professional at your job you applied for/ wanted. Though I will say the staff don't appear to have that professional aspect from my accounts.
Yet I will agree getting older usually gives many people the ability to be responsible and a more work focused life. In my school I can certainly say I won't trust 75% of my fellow peers for management. Still with a completely different 75% I trust them to do work and try their hardest. Getting older will help supporting foundations for becoming a good applicant yet will not create the person to become the ideal/ better applicant.
I would like the raise the limit not because age is a good variable but because I am certain it will increase acceptance ratio. I can not say the current system is good or not yet from my personal experience I extremely dislike staff for many reasons. Usually at 13 you don't know what you want to do or if you will like it, you are just trying to find your identity while at 16 to 18 you have found your identity mature or not you are professional at your job you applied for/ wanted. Though I will say the staff don't appear to have that professional aspect from my accounts.
I do feel like it should be higher than 13, only sometimes though. Jules is thirteen almost fourteen but extremely mature. It does really depend on the person, not the age. And same with the discord trainee age. Eleven is cutting it a little young, but some of the discord trainee's are more mature than some sixteen year old's I know. It does quite depend on the type of person to lash out on a non-staff member.
I'm going to quickly address this point to all of y'all who are categorizing 13 and under as immature or are thinking that they are unprofessional.
This is a video game we are talking about and not an actual real life job. Video games are usually meant to be fun and sometimes unprofessional which links to network moderation and development. Development is mandatory to be professional and well thought out since it's the main workings of the server and game. But on the other hand we have moderation and I don't really think the intentions of being a staff member is too be super professional, top notch serious and very stern with players. A good staff member would be within these traits which follow:
If a staff member falls into the majority of these guidelines, I'm pretty sure they are a good staff member. If a staff member is not following common sense when moderating, that would be the time to make a staff abuse report or private message Iruu (our staff manager) with any concerns. The management team will look into that issue as soon as possible and take further actions if necessary.
Now, back to what I was saying. Moderation doesn't mean to be "professional" or "mature" all the time when engaging with the server. Moderation or moderating a server is doing what you need to do, being responsible and kind and gleeful with players. Of course, you need to be mature but don't cross the line with it. What the staff team is meaning by "mature" is to be humble and engaging with players so that everyone enjoys their network experience. I find a lot of people misunderstand what maturity really is and this is an example of what I'm talking about. No matter what the age, anyone can be mature faster or slower, this just depends on the person.
This is a video game we are talking about and not an actual real life job. Video games are usually meant to be fun and sometimes unprofessional which links to network moderation and development. Development is mandatory to be professional and well thought out since it's the main workings of the server and game. But on the other hand we have moderation and I don't really think the intentions of being a staff member is too be super professional, top notch serious and very stern with players. A good staff member would be within these traits which follow:
- A staff member should always communicate with the players and engage in conversations and spread a positive attitude within the community.
- A staff member should also act mature while on the job and be responsible of all actions taken.
- A staff member doesn't abuse their powers while on the job and is only used to help with punishments and other actions that need to be taken if something major does happen.
- A staff member should always be prepared to answer questions and concerns and should always be there to help players of the community when necessary.
- Staff members should also show high integrity on their part, especially when a mistake is made during their experience on the team.
- And finally, a staff member should respect everyone and treat everybody equally. This falls within the respectful category while communicating with players.
If a staff member falls into the majority of these guidelines, I'm pretty sure they are a good staff member. If a staff member is not following common sense when moderating, that would be the time to make a staff abuse report or private message Iruu (our staff manager) with any concerns. The management team will look into that issue as soon as possible and take further actions if necessary.
Now, back to what I was saying. Moderation doesn't mean to be "professional" or "mature" all the time when engaging with the server. Moderation or moderating a server is doing what you need to do, being responsible and kind and gleeful with players. Of course, you need to be mature but don't cross the line with it. What the staff team is meaning by "mature" is to be humble and engaging with players so that everyone enjoys their network experience. I find a lot of people misunderstand what maturity really is and this is an example of what I'm talking about. No matter what the age, anyone can be mature faster or slower, this just depends on the person.
But technically the 11 year olds are breaking the terms of service for the age requirement to even have discord
But doesn't everyone do that..? 11 year olds bypass the age requirements on social media yet the administrators could careless.
Which is why the age should be moved up on discord because they are breaking rules
What I meant was that people who organized Discord could care less about what age everyone is. Which needs to change on Discord's side of the situation to lock the user out of the app if they use a birthdate under the age of 13 while signing up. (For example, reinstalling the app to reaccess again or to enter something that only adults will understand).
edit: I am also sure, like every other social platform, that if you are underaged then you need to have a parent email in order to register an account.
If you read the discord TOS, you will see this:
"you agree (i) that you are 13 years of age or older, (ii) if you are the age of majority in your jurisdiction or over, that you have read, understood, and accept to be bound by the Terms, and (iii) if you are between 13 and the age of majority in your jurisdiction, that your legal guardian has reviewed and agrees to these Terms."
This right here states that you either:
A) Have to be 13 or older.
Or
B) You have your parent's permission.
How many 11 year olds do you think asked their parents if they could talk to people online. Before you say but pz is a place to talk to people online stop that’s different