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[daqueenbee]

So. Lately I have seen people in chat saying things like I want to kill myself or I hate my life etc. I would like this either to be blocked out or not be allowed to be said. Here is some reasons-

1. It annoys some people like me.
2. Its a sensetive topic and some people might feel sad.
3. Overall it causes spam, eg No! Dont do that!, Your life matters. And that is also annoying.

Anyone who disagrees, instead of argueing with me, Can you comment your opinion and say what is wrong with this thread? If you do it and have suicidal thoughts, Please visit a theripist, Dont talk about it on public chat, And Of course, Please dont kill yourself!

Thanks!

 

[Valiencian]

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[KinqOfTheClouds]

1. It annoys some people like me.
3. Overall it causes spam, eg No! Dont do that!, Your life matters. And that is also annoying.

I may have read this wrong or I might be getting the wrong idea but you're saying it annoys you if people are/say they are suicial?

People shouldn't be punished for being depressed or suicidal, it'll make them feel worse and it would actually encourage those feelings.

 

[Phenix]

I may have read this wrong or I might be getting the wrong idea but you're saying it annoys you if people are/say they are suicial?

And if it does annoy some people, there's a thing called "ignoring it", or dont get involved in any way.

 

[ABerryyy]

Suicidal thoughts is common but usually people say it as a joke. Blocking it out by what you mean making it punishable is not a good idea, though it shouldn't be encouraged at the same time if someone says "Kms" and they get warned for it, it'll hurt them more than it will do good. Rather than making scenarios, ignoring it is a way better option.
As much as I could agree it is a sensitive topic as you said, staff usually know what's right and wrong and if anything leads into sensitive topics they'd know it ask you to drop it or take it into private etcetera. And we could always message them asking 'What's wrong?' or ask them to drop it as it makes you feel uncomfortable rather than having a punishment for a simple thing.

I'm disagreeing with this suggestion so far until I hear others opinions.

 

[sweeteaa]

Alright, I'm not saying that you're annoying if you say "I want to die," or "I hate my life,". Nor am I saying that you should never ask for help if you feel that you need it in dangerous and harmful situations like these.

This topic is a mature topic that I feel is nothing to joke about. I might sound hypocritical right now because of course, I've been one of those kinds of people in the past, but for others who've been there and done that it's kind of mentally offensive to those people because they've been through such things and it's something that shouldn't be brought up upon.

I agree with this suggestion, I think it's better to say something else than to say "I hate my life," or "I want to suicide," or "Bye world, you'll never have to face me again," just so it's nothing too uncomforting for the audience, especially our younger audiences who might be new to such themes and challenges I do think that there should be a better way of asking for help rather than being overly harsh about it.

Something a bit more indirect like "I'm not feeling great about myself, is anyone open to talking to?" or "I'm not as bright today, does anyone want to talk?"

And if it does annoy some people, there's a thing called "ignoring it", or don't get involved in any way.

I completely agree that if you can resist not looking at such messages then you should. But then this entire ocean of people saying "Please don't do it!" or "Don't kill yourself!" can get in the way of it too.

Suicidal thoughts are common but usually people say it as a joke. Blocking it out by what you mean making it punishable is not a good idea, though it shouldn't be encouraged at the same time if someone says "Kms" and they get warned for it, it'll hurt them more than it will do good. Rather than making scenarios, ignoring it is a way better option.
As much as I could agree it is a sensitive topic as you said, staff usually know what's right and wrong and if anything leads into sensitive topics they'd know it ask you to drop it or take it into private etcetera. And we could always message them asking 'What's wrong?' or ask them to drop it as it makes you feel uncomfortable rather than having a punishment for a simple thing.

I'm disagreeing with this suggestion so far until I hear others opinions.

I definitely do agree that this shouldn't be a punishable thing, because like you said, it's going to make that person feel even more bad than they are already feeling, but those kinds of messages should be filtered out just because of the level of uncomfort it gives everyone else. Also, yes, /msging is another alternative to help that person out when needed.

I see some cons and some pros to this, but I'm leaning towards the "Should Implement" side.

 

[Spirits]

Let me get this straight.

You're saying that if someone suffering with depression was talking about it, they could be punished for it, therefore making them feel even worse?

No one asked to hear about personal issues, and if someone does want to talk about it DMs are an available function, because if someone does it in global chat then it might look like they're just looking for attention.

 

[Tyler]

Okay to be fair Lily brings up good points. I'm not saying I agree nor disagree but I see what she's saying. Although MCPZ is a loving community, if you're depressed, you should get professional help.

 

[Pqndar]

Yeah this is a PG server

 

[Richi]

I’d like to start off by saying that I see where you’re coming from. Although, under any circumstances, we cannot block those players out who unfortunately have these thoughts. We need to support those who have those thoughts as much as we possibly can. Some players express their issues differently. Some players may not tell anyone, but others prefer to let their thoughts out as they feel it’ll help. The best we can do is private message the player about what they’ve been thinking and go from there.

If a player seems to be harassing others and being insensitive about these issues then of course it’s punishable. It’s all about the context really. If it’s clear that a player’s using mental issues in an inappropriate manner then of course make a user report it on the forums and they will be dealt with by a staff member appropriately.

 

[Cattt]

So. Lately I have seen people in chat saying things like I want to kill myself or I hate my life etc. I would like this either to be blocked out or not be allowed to be said. Here is some reasons-

1. It annoys some people like me.
2. Its a sensetive topic and some people might feel sad.
3. Overall it causes spam, eg No! Dont do that!, Your life matters. And that is also annoying.

Anyone who disagrees, instead of argueing with me, Can you comment your opinion and say what is wrong with this thread? If you do it and have suicidal thoughts, Please visit a theripist, Dont talk about it on public chat, And Of course, Please dont kill yourself!

Thanks!

I do agree that this may be taken as a sensitive comment/topic to some players but unfortunately, you cannot oppress these players from stating how they feel. That may only consequently make them feel worse and that's the last thing we'd all like to do. Making them feel as they don't have a voice or somewhere to express what they're feeling is, in my opinion, wrong.

Instead of feeling annoyed by this and oppressing their voice from being heard, we should be reaching out to them and helping them as best as we can. We have a rather younger audience and as a majority of us are aware, being young can be tough. It's harder to deal with situations on your own and it's even tougher to confide in someone who understands how you are feeling or what you are going through.

Additionally, some players may not either have the funds to afford a therapist or simply don't feel comfortable talking during one-on-one sessions. This community can be extremely supportive and sometimes it's comforting for players to visually see that even strangers online care about them.

I'll also be agreeing with what Richi stated here:

If a player seems to be harassing others and being insensitive about these issues then of course it’s punishable. It’s all about the context really. If it’s clear that a player’s using mental issues in an inappropriate manner then of course make a user report it on the forums and they will be dealt with by a staff member appropriately.

I cannot agree with this suggestion simply because I feel as it's wrong to blatantly ignore someones, for lack of better words, cry for help. It's important we come together as a community and help these players during rougher times. Put yourself in their shoes and try to understand how they are feeling or what they may be going through. -1

 

[Robotron27]

I take this kind of stuff seriously, suicidal thoughts on a forum is usually something that if you see you should either console them, or report it.

 

[sweeteaa]

I’d like to start off by saying that I see where you’re coming from. Although, under any circumstances, we cannot block those players out who unfortunately have these thoughts. We need to support those who have those thoughts as much as we possibly can. Some players express their issues differently. Some players may not tell anyone, but others prefer to let their thoughts out as they feel it’ll help. The best we can do is send a private message the player about what they’ve been thinking and go from there.

If a player seems to be harassing others and being insensitive about these issues then, of course, it’s punishable. It’s all about the context really. If it’s clear that a player’s using mental issues in an inappropriate manner then, of course, make a user report it on the forums and they will be dealt with by a staff member appropriately.

As I said, I do believe that you should recognize the fact that you're slowly harming yourself with suicidal thoughts and that you should get help right away. Though, I do not think it's best if you consult complete strangers about it and it'd be best if instead, you turn to someone who you know and trust, like a parent, guardian or a professional mental therapist. In my personal opinion, I find those kinds of themes rather uncomfortable to be brought up about and quite guilty to think about as well. I've been in that certain situation yet I never recall saying in global chat that I've had thoughts of killing myself. Some people have traumas regarding the topic and others are going through it and I just really don't think it's a great idea to bring it up in public. An alternative though, if you really have no one to talk to is to private message someone instead. If you don't know who, you can kindly ask in chat, "Is anyone open to talking too? I'm having a rough time right now," and I can assure you a wave of people will message you back.

The more I think about it, the more I agree with it. I apologize if anyone finds my opinion offensive but these are just my personal thoughts and ideas and there are going to be huge debates on this suggestion.

 

[Sakurann]

As I said, I do believe that you should recognize the fact that you're slowly harming yourself with suicidal thoughts and that you should get help right away. Though, I do not think it's best if you consult complete strangers about it and it'd be best if instead, you turn to someone who you know and trust, like a parent, guardian or a professional mental therapist. In my personal opinion, I find those kinds of themes rather uncomfortable to be brought up about and quite guilty to think about as well. I've been in that certain situation yet I never recall saying in global chat that I've had thoughts of killing myself. Some people have traumas regarding the topic and others are going through it and I just really don't think it's a great idea to bring it up in public. An alternative though, if you really have no one to talk to is to private message someone instead. If you don't know who, you can kindly ask in chat, "Is anyone open to talking too? I'm having a rough time right now," and I can assure you a wave of people will message you back.

The more I think about it, the more I agree with it. I apologize if anyone finds my opinion offensive but these are just my personal thoughts and ideas and there are going to be huge debates on this suggestion.

I honestly can't agree with this because in my past situation I felt most comfortable telling my friends as I was closest to them. It's extremely difficult to tell a parent or guardian about this kind of situation as you will fear their reaction and you don't want them to think of you differently. In my situation I felt as though no one genuinely cared if I died and told them to see their reactions if they actually had any sympathy for me. For other players, they may be going through the exact same situation and may not have anyone to talk to, so they open up to the PZ community and see dozens of messages from people who care about their life. And for the people who find these thoughts being exposed openly 'annoying', if the server were filled with these kinds of people, ignoring as such a message could actually be the final straw to end their life. It's easier to talk to someone you don't know on the internet than to someone in real life.

 

[KinqOfTheClouds]

No one should be discouraged of their feelings. I've suffered from Depression and I know, from experience, never punish someone for being depressed.

 

[Pqndar]

When you say this a pop up in chat will give you the suicide prevention line or someone to talk to not some teenager assisting!

 

[Emviar]

When you say this a pop up in chat will give you the suicide prevention line or someone to talk to not some teenager assisting!

The thing is, someone who's depressed/suicidal may not think they need professional help at first. If their message is blocked out and a hotline number pops up, they might not take it seriously. However, a good friend on the server, someone who is trusted by the message sender, might be able to convince them to get professional help.

Sorry, but for the reasons stated in earlier posts, I have to be against this suggestion. I don't think anyone should be encouraged to ignore statements like "I want to die" because if we start to ignore them, we'll become conditioned to that, and we'll start ignoring all of them, real or jokes.

I really do understand what you're going for, here, and I appreciate what you're trying to do, but I don't think this will work as well as we might think.

 

[xKxty]

I may have read this wrong or I might be getting the wrong idea but you're saying it annoys you if people are/say they are suicial?

People shouldn't be punished for being depressed or suicidal, it'll make them feel worse and it would actually encourage those feelings.

Majority of people who say that in a public chat, aren't actually going to take steps to kill themselves. Personally I've seen and heard many people who use it as a joke, or light heartedly and that's not okay. I think that's what the person who posted it meant.

 

[Emviar]

Majority of people who say that in a public chat, aren't actually going to take steps to kill themselves. Personally I've seen and heard many people who use it as a joke, or light heartedly and that's not okay. I think that's what the person who posted it meant.

Last year, there was a person in the lobby who said they wanted to kill themselves. I tried my best to intervene and we talked in PM for a while, and I added them to my friends list and tried to check in after a while. I saw them once after that and they thanked me for talking to them instead of ignoring them. They said they were doing a lot better now.

Just because some people joke about it doesn't mean everyone is, and if we filter out those kinds of messages, we could potentially be ignoring real people who are considering taking their own life and they might want to go to someone here on the server instead of a phone number that appears in chat.

Case closed?

 

[Tyler]

Literally I see both sides, so this hurts me. Although I believe getting professional support is better, I can see how talking to strangers online who may be dealing with similar things can help, plus they get to have fun on a block game

But for real though, I do see both sides so I find it hard to pick which. +0 I guess.