Confirmed Changing forum bans

[R2D2 from Star Trek]

I recently got banned for a month from the forums without knowing why (I don’t think “Rules Violation” was very informative) so I just thought that instead of not being able to use the website at all, we can instead let them view the posts and replies while not being able to post themselves

 

[sadiiee]

I feel like this is good in theory. However, when you compare it to server punishments, it seems like more of a mute than a ban. I’m not really sure of all the forum punishments and how they are used, so a mute may already be a thing. If it isn’t, I think it’s something that should be added though.

I’ll remain neutral until I get some further information on the topic

 

[Pqndar]

I recently got banned for a month from the forums without knowing why (I don’t think “Rules Violation” was very informative) so I just thought that instead of not being able to use the website at all, we can instead let them view the posts and replies while not being able to post themselves

Delete browser history, voila.

 

[KinqOfTheClouds]

The whole point of being banned is that you can't access the forums, at all. If you're banned from the discord, you can't see anything in the discord. If you're banned from the server, you can't see anything on the server. It's the same with the forums, and it should stay that way.
-1

 

[mintyhour]

Maybe, the ban message should be more informative, and include evidence of the reason of punishment. Of course you can always ask a staff member but this would be nice to have anyway.

 

[Emviar]

"rules violation"
seems legit. and people wonder why this place is the way it is

 

[jyrni]

That defeats the whole purpose of the ban. A ban means that you are banned from seeing the platform you’re banned from (ex. minecraft, discord, forums, etc.) -1

 

[mintyhour]

I think that the original suggestion defeats the purpose. I do believe that the ban information should include evidence, reason, and the user who banned you. I'm not sure how the bans look, but op describes it as if it lacks detail. Maybe this should be made a seperate suggestion but eh.

 

[KawaiiWifi]

Good suggestion, just needs a bit of adjustments
'If a police officer banned you from using your electronic, can you look at your electronic but not use it?' is basically what you are asking. Well, of course not because looking at it is also technically using it. But I would love to see an implement where you could look at what you did, yet nothing else. You are correct 'Rules Violated' is not very informational at all but maybe they could go more in dept. This is also taking away from the punishment that the player shouldn't have done in the first place.
Hope you see my point, and anyways have a good day.
Thanks for making MCPZ a better place with your suggestion.

 

[Avum]

As mentioned above, I do think forum bans should be more informative by displaying who banned you and why, however I think changing them to mutes entirely defeats the purpose. -1

➟ You're still able to view all of the forums.
This is the main reason it defeats the purpose of inheriting a ban. Bans are in place to stop rule breakers from viewing or using our platforms to, for lack of better words, teach them a lesson and prevent them from breaking these rules again. Allowing them to view, but not use the forums, does not give the same effect. If someone's ban was put in place for something you can do from viewing the website, like leaving reactions on a post, a mute wouldn't prevent them from doing that.

➟ Exploiting loopholes to bypass the mute.
Implementing this could quite easily lead to players finding loopholes in the system to bypass their mute. I don't believe XenForo has a built in feature to mute people from the forums, therefore we would have to manually disallow them from posting in each category which takes too much work and is what will lead to loopholes. An example of a loophole would be if a muted player started a private conversation with someone to troll them or send nasty messages. They're continuing to violate our rules after being muted and we wouldn't even know about it unless it was reported to us.

 

[Emviar]

As mentioned above, I do think forum bans should be more informative by displaying who banned you and why, however I think changing them to mutes entirely defeats the purpose. -1

I agree - ban messages should definitely be more informative and should provide an opportunity to submit an appeal.

 

[Cattt]

I would like to begin my response by thanking you for suggesting this and letting us give you feedback on it.
However, at this point in time, I do not think that this addition is necessary or beneficial for PartyZone's community as I'll be explaining in my points below.

➤ Informative Punishment Reasons & Appeals:
We are currently in the process of implementing a separate area which allows players who are banned from the forums, regardless of the length of the punishment, to appeal. We are aware of this transparent inconvenience, and we are working towards correcting it.

If your punishment reasoning is broad, I suggest contacting a staff member.
There are a few other solutions to doing this outside the forums such as, but not limited to:

- Contacting a staff member in game.
Try catching a staff member online and ask for a member of leadership to contact you, or ask for their Discord.
( Provide your Discord name in the case they would be contacting you. )

- Contact a staff member via our official PartyZone Discord.
If you are not yet apart of this, you can join through mcpz.net/discord.

➤ Permitting users to view the forums when banned:
This suggestion defeats the purpose of the player being banned in the first place, as others' have stated above.

Hypothetical Scenario:
If were to issue a punishment to a player for a hacked client, it wouldn't make sense, nor be idealistic, to allow them to remain on the network and still participate.

➊ Applying this to the forums, if a player did something wrong, why should we essentially enable them to the same freedom any player has, even when they carelessly broke the rules?

➋ Additionally, allowing banned users view the forums would show that there are barely any consequences to breaking our forum rules.
This can subliminally promote breaking the rules, as the consequences wouldn't be as severe and they are still able to some-what participate and be involved with the community.


Ultimately, I'll be agreeing with what has been stated above by my peers.
There are simply too many concerns and negatives if we were to implement this suggestion. -1

 

[Timelord]

I would like to begin my response by thanking you for suggesting this and letting us give you feedback on it.
However, at this point in time, I do not think that this addition is necessary or beneficial for PartyZone's community as I'll be explaining in my points below.

➤ Informative Punishment Reasons & Appeals:
We are currently in the process of implementing a separate area which allows players who are banned from the forums, regardless of the length of the punishment, to appeal. We are aware of this transparent inconvenience, and we are working towards correcting it.

If your punishment reasoning is broad, I suggest contacting a staff member.
There are a few other solutions to doing this outside the forums such as, but not limited to:

- Contacting a staff member in game.
Try catching a staff member online and ask for a member of leadership to contact you, or ask for their Discord.
( Provide your Discord name in the case they would be contacting you. )

- Contact a staff member via our official PartyZone Discord.
If you are not yet apart of this, you can join through mcpz.net/discord.

➤ Permitting users to view the forums when banned:
This suggestion defeats the purpose of the player being banned in the first place, as others' have stated above.

Hypothetical Scenario:
If were to issue a punishment to a player for a hacked client, it wouldn't make sense, nor be idealistic, to allow them to remain on the network and still participate.

➊ Applying this to the forums, if a player did something wrong, why should we essentially enable them to the same freedom any player has, even when they carelessly broke the rules?

➋ Additionally, allowing banned users view the forums would show that there are barely any consequences to breaking our forum rules.
This can subliminally promote breaking the rules, as the consequences wouldn't be as severe and they are still able to some-what participate and be involved with the community.


Ultimately, I'll be agreeing with what has been stated above by my peers.
There are simply too many concerns and negatives if we were to implement this suggestion. -1

Woah this was actually a pretty good response I wasn't expecting Cat. I believe that is really all the there is to say.

Although, I would like to mention that it's more of a opinion if a banned user should or should not be able to see the forum and well there are ways to get around this. Although it does suck I can't see or publish any bugs which is a real down side with the fact I found one and couldn't report it.

 

[MariTheVillain]

Hello and thank you for making a suggestion

At this time we will be confirming this suggestion partially - basically we'll be changing the "rules violation" message to be a bit more helpful and descriptive. Evidence is in every warn message, and isn't necessary in a ban message, we will also not be changing how bans themselves work.