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Here's my opinion on the whole thing.

Imagine you buy an AAA game at $60. you enjoy said game, and you finish said game. They then release a cosmetics pack for $120. Would you buy that? I figure you'd say no. It's practically the same here, Minecraft is a $26 game. As said above, the E+ rank is $140. Which is over five times the original amount of the game! Let's go back to the $60 game. If EA had released their cosmetic DLC pack at $120, I doubt anybody would buy it.

For a server that's trying to desperately raise its player count, I feel you should really listen to your community more. If you think about it bare-bones, E+ is just some fancy colours, more building space and flying. Oh and of course, bragging rights.

If you follow the current curve of prices for ranks, which is;

VIP - $20
VIP+- $40
ELITE- $80
E+ -$140

the prices doubles, doubles, and then 1.7x. If we're going to do $140 * 1.7, that would bring the price to a whopping $240. May I remind you that the original price of Minecraft is $26, meaning this rank will now be over nine times the original price of the game.

If the perks of Elite++ are anything like Elite+ (Which are, extremely lacklustre) then I would not recommend buying the rank. However, we don't know what the perks of the rank will be. May I remind you that due to the EULA ( End User Lisence Agreement, in Minecraft's case this essentially means that you can't pay to get gameplay boosts/benefits. E.g, if you were an E+ you would gain double emeralds in Murder. This would break EULA.), the perks will be COSMETIC only. Meaning they will only give your avatar or name visual perks. This would be something such as changing the colour of the + in E+, or giving your character a glow. Neither of these give gameplay benefits.

This is all I have to say to the subject, and if you're buying a rank purely to support the growth of the server, good on you! But if you're like the rest of us, and would like some perks in return, then this rank may not be for you.

Thanks for reading what I had to say.
This is one of the best forum post I have ever seen u completely agree with you and you must have taken a lot of time+rep
 
Here's my opinion on the whole thing.

Imagine you buy an AAA game at $60. you enjoy said game, and you finish said game. They then release a cosmetics pack for $120. Would you buy that? I figure you'd say no. It's practically the same here, Minecraft is a $26 game. As said above, the E+ rank is $140. Which is over five times the original amount of the game! Let's go back to the $60 game. If EA had released their cosmetic DLC pack at $120, I doubt anybody would buy it.

For a server that's trying to desperately raise its player count, I feel you should really listen to your community more. If you think about it bare-bones, E+ is just some fancy colours, more building space and flying. Oh and of course, bragging rights.

If you follow the current curve of prices for ranks, which is;

VIP - $20
VIP+- $40
ELITE- $80
E+ -$140

the prices doubles, doubles, and then 1.7x. If we're going to do $140 * 1.7, that would bring the price to a whopping $240. May I remind you that the original price of Minecraft is $26, meaning this rank will now be over nine times the original price of the game.

If the perks of Elite++ are anything like Elite+ (Which are, extremely lacklustre) then I would not recommend buying the rank. However, we don't know what the perks of the rank will be. May I remind you that due to the EULA ( End User Lisence Agreement, in Minecraft's case this essentially means that you can't pay to get gameplay boosts/benefits. E.g, if you were an E+ you would gain double emeralds in Murder. This would break EULA.), the perks will be COSMETIC only. Meaning they will only give your avatar or name visual perks. This would be something such as changing the colour of the + in E+, or giving your character a glow. Neither of these give gameplay benefits.

This is all I have to say to the subject, and if you're buying a rank purely to support the growth of the server, good on you! But if you're like the rest of us, and would like some perks in return, then this rank may not be for you.

Thanks for reading what I had to say.
Very well said.

I agree, though - in essence, what we're supposed to be doing here is donating to keep the server running. That's great. But once again, ranks are mostly cosmetic-only, so it's a bit hard to want to spend that much money on cosmetics.

Another problem I see, cosmetic-wise, is that we've already got four ranks with some perks. However, I can't imagine a lot of cosmetic perks that aren't already included in ranks that would be worth paying extra for. E+ players can already change the color of their +, and I think I can speak for most of the community in saying that players should not be given the ability to change their chat colors. VIP+ and above can already merge plots, and ranks already have access to extra hats in Murder.

My point is, we've already got enough ranks, and they don't have a lot of unique perks. I honestly can't think of a lot of perks that would make E++ worth the money. All I can think of right now is extra plots and maybe a custom join message.
 
Very well said.

I agree, though - in essence, what we're supposed to be doing here is donating to keep the server running. That's great. But once again, ranks are mostly cosmetic-only, so it's a bit hard to want to spend that much money on cosmetics.

Another problem I see, cosmetic-wise, is that we've already got four ranks with some perks. However, I can't imagine a lot of cosmetic perks that aren't already included in ranks that would be worth paying extra for. E+ players can already change the color of their +, and I think I can speak for most of the community in saying that players should not be given the ability to change their chat colors. VIP+ and above can already merge plots, and ranks already have access to extra hats in Murder.

My point is, we've already got enough ranks, and they don't have a lot of unique perks. I honestly can't think of a lot of perks that would make E++ worth the money. All I can think of right now is extra plots and maybe a custom join message.
Well said basically everything is said
To me e++ will be a waste of time and coding
 
If you follow the current curve of prices for ranks, which is;

VIP - $20
VIP+- $40
ELITE- $80
E+ -$140

the prices doubles, doubles, and then 1.7x. If we're going to do $140 * 1.7, that would bring the price to a whopping $240. May I remind you that the original price of Minecraft is $26, meaning this rank will now be over nine times the original price of the game.
As has been said multiple times previously on this thread and others, E++ will be an add-on and not a new rank, meaning it will not be following the pattern/curve of other ranks, it will be a subscription.
 
It’s honestly so simple, but here

Do you like the idea?:
- Cool then buy it if you want or subscribe

Do you dislike the idea?:
- Cool then don’t buy it or subscribe.

Wether you dislike or like the idea of E++, I doubt they’re going to remove it, of course everyone has their opinion, but I think it’s really not going to change things.

I personally don’t like the idea of E++, so am I going to buy/subscribe to it? No.
Can someone else possibly like the idea of E++ and potentially subscribe to it? Yes.

That’s all. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
 
It’s honestly so simple, but here

Do you like the idea?:
- Cool then buy it if you want or subscribe

Do you dislike the idea?:
- Cool then don’t buy it or subscribe.

Wether you dislike or like the idea of E++, I doubt they’re going to remove it, of course everyone has their opinion, but I think it’s really not going to change things.

I personally don’t like the idea of E++, so am I going to buy/subscribe to it? No.
Can someone else possibly like the idea of E++ and potentially subscribe to it? Yes.

That’s all. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

I've said this before and so have other players - we're annoyed that a new rank is coming out even though we have been urging devs to improve on existing ranks.

For a server that's trying to desperately raise its player count, I feel you should really listen to your community more.
 
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For a server that's trying to desperately raise its player count, I feel you should really listen to your community more.
Once again, no one's going to buy E+ just so they're eligible for E++. It sounds to me like the only people who will subscribe to E++ will be current E+ players who are still around.
I'm not saying E++ is necessarily bad, I think it's strange to release another rank especially while the current ones are already being ridiculed for their high price points and controversially lackluster perks. In my opinion, E+ is already under-perked. I've seen many others argue the same for E+ as well as most other ranks. If anything, I feel the already existing ranks should be improved so the community will be more encouraged to buy them instead of creating a new one that is already sparking arguments. All we've heard is that there's a new rank coming out and there are tons of people already upset by just that. Shouldn't that be an indicator that something's wrong?
Just wanted to bring that point back up for discussion
 
I've said this before and so have other players - we're annoyed that a new rank is coming out even though we have been urging devs to improve on existing ranks.
Which I feel they’re doing.
 
In no way is introducing a new rank improving existing ranks lol
If it's taking that long then I'm pretty sure improving existing ranks is not the development team's biggest priority at the moment. And let me remind you, lots of people are waiting for goodie bags which have been said since 2016 that they will be implemented.

Let me also mention that we have 3-4 developers, so things will take longer to implement.

So many things have yet to become a thing on PZ and I think we all should be more patient about it.
 
No one mentioned the speed at which the devs are working, that's nowhere near the topic we're discussing. It's the fact that new ranks are being implemented even when players have been complaining about existing ranks for who knows how long.

This has to be the 5th time I've said this.
 
Nothing official has been announced about the rank yet, so we don’t know what the perks, gadgets, cost, length of subscription or anything about the rank will be like - although our ranks are expensive, saying that our ranks are five times the price of Minecraft can be said for nearly every other Minecraft server out there, whether it’s double the price, triple etc. I’ve played servers with ranks which are $300 and people still bought it.

The rank hasn’t been released yet, trying to get it removed or criticising it without even knowing what’s going to come with it doesn’t seem right, at least give it a chance. And as said previously, if you don’t want to buy it you don’t have to, same goes for all other ranks on our network.
 
It's the fact that new ranks are being implemented even when players have been complaining about existing ranks for who knows how long.

This has to be the 5th time I've said this.

skksgdsksk I'm just gonna show myself the door
 
skksgdsksk I'm just gonna show myself the door
The fact that you're repeating what you're saying is not really going prove your point by repeatedly giving the same explanation. Re-quoting your posts isn't adding on and not persuading players to go along with you're statement and opinion.
No one mentioned the speed at which the devs are working, that's nowhere near the topic we're discussing. It's the fact that new ranks are being implemented even when players have been complaining about existing ranks for who knows how long.

This has to be the 5th time I've said this.
I kinda believe that's what being the current complaint. By adding on a new rank, all of the other ranks are dried out and underperked. This goes for all of them. You mentioned that you or another person has suggested adding on to ELITE, VIP and E+ and I'm pretty sure developers have considered what to do about it already. I am in no way mixing topics, because all of this comes together. The key factor is that E++ will underperk every other rank on PZ. Which has to do with people suggesting add-ons to the already implemented ranks. This also has to do with the speed the developers are working at implementing things since it might've been confirmed to "wait and see" for new perks to come out. That means this isn't the developers team highest priority at the moment. They are already working on fixing bugs, they are working on releasing a new game, they are working on looking at suggestions and see if it's possible to implement them, they are working on goodie bags and now they have this rank which everyone is arguing and complaining about. I understand both sides of the story and I know that it's completely unnecessary to make a monthly-subscription rank, but we need to see what the rank will bring first and then debate about what to remove, what to add on, etc.
 
As has been said multiple times previously on this thread and others, E++ will be an add-on and not a new rank, meaning it will not be following the pattern/curve of other ranks, it will be a subscription.
WAIT WAIT WAIT A SUBSCRIPTION MEANING PAY EVERY MONTH? Hahahahahahahah
 
WAIT WAIT WAIT A SUBSCRIPTION MEANING PAY EVERY MONTH? Hahahahahahahah

We don’t know for sure what it will be as I said above, it could be a subscription where you pay every month or a rank which lasts a month, 3 months, 5 months etc. We don’t know anything really about this rank, even staff don’t know much.
 
120 for a year

Even if it was 120 for a year, that’s your decision if you want to buy it or not, similarly you don’t have to buy any of our other ranks which are also quite expensive.

As I’ve said before, we don’t know how much it’s going to cost or how long it will last for, so it might not even be 120 for a year, it could be £10 for 3 months for all we know.
 
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